Podcast #25 – Layne Gray on Entrepreneurship, Angel Investing, and the Power of Storytelling
Doug Dvorak (00:17.403)
Good day Mission Podcasts community. I’m your host and podcast navigator, Doug Dvorak, and I’m so very excited to bring you inspiring stories from incredible guests. These individuals are on a mission to create remarkable possibilities that not only enhance their lives, but also make a lasting impact on the communities around them. Stay tuned for some truly amazing conversations. Welcome to the Mission Possible podcast Layne.
Layne Gray (00:41.447)
Hi, it’s so great to be here, Doug. Thank you so much for inviting me.
Doug Dvorak (00:49.541)
So your door of the Explorer, where are you today?
Layne Gray (00:52.814)
I’m in Bologna, Italy and I have this wonderful Airbnb, beautiful, and have been exploring everything around Bologna in what they call the Emilia Romana area. Never knew that and it’s been a lot of fun exploring. So thank you.
Doug Dvorak (01:16.423)
So the mission possible mindset when you come from a place of honesty, integrity, kindness, and you put that vibe out. I met Layne about four months ago biking in the Baltics and she and my wife, Kathy, hit it off and I was just inspired by her life story, her success, her mission possible mindset about giving back and really living each day as an adventure. And those stories
Layne Gray (01:33.431)
Yeah. Okay.
Doug Dvorak (01:46.213)
behind the lanes of the world turning big visions into real victories. So as I mentioned, we’re joined by an extraordinary guest, Layne Gray. She’s a trailblazing author, seasoned entrepreneur and angel investor who’s dedicated her career to empowering ideas, building businesses and backing bold founders.
Doug Dvorak (02:15.697)
From writing words that inspire to launching ventures that thrive to fueling the next wave of startups with capital and guidance, Layne is a powerhouse of innovation and insight.
Doug Dvorak (02:45.761)
Get ready to discover her journey, her lessons from the entrepreneurial battlefield and her perspective on why every mission is possible when passion meets purpose. Let’s dive in with Layne. Layne again, thank you. It’s a high honor and privilege. So a lot of different areas, buckets, experiences in your life from entrepreneurial.
Layne Gray (03:02.059)
Yeah.
Doug Dvorak (03:15.419)
from being a serial entrepreneur, but also to a published author and storytelling. So let’s start with author and storytelling, Layne. What inspired you to write your books, and what message do you hope readers walk away with?
Layne Gray (03:22.348)
Yeah, it’s really interesting. Thank you, Doug, first for having me and second for asking that question. The novel that I wrote is something that’s personal because I am divorced and that’s a really tough journey to go through.
And so many friends brought their friends to me because I had a very amicable split and they wanted to figure out how to do that. So I decided to actually write a book that really addressed one of those kernels of truth. So there’s two themes. One is in our current society,
Yeah, it is okay to get divorced. It is okay to split and move on to something else. You don’t have to feel guilty about that. On the other hand, our previous generation, our parents, they really worked at relationships and do we not do that enough? So there’s a juxtaposition between those two.
altering issues. And so I tried to address that in this book. And so that’s really what it’s about. It’s kind of a fun little tale. It is not autobiographical. A lot of people ask that. But it’s a lot of fun. there’s some sexy parts of the main character’s relationship with
you know, this nomad and all sorts of things. That’s a lot of fun. So that’s the first book. The second one.
Doug Dvorak (05:18.021)
What is the title and how can our viewers access it?
Layne Gray (05:24.16)
Yeah, yeah. well, thank you. It’s called Crushed, Happily Ever After 2.0. Meaning, you know, in our technology world, it’s the second iteration of what it used to be of splitting up. And now I’m actually working twofold. One is on the follow-up.
because surely it was not a New York Times bestseller per se, but I have somewhat of a cult following, which is really wonderful. And so that’s really, really fun. So working on the second book, also working on just the outline of the screenplay. You know, we say that authors are not particularly good at writing screenplays, so I don’t put myself in that position.
but I’m trying to do a treatment for it, because it’s a unique story, and it’s something that hasn’t been told before, and I think that it would be a lot of fun for people to see, and quite poignant, so, yeah.
Doug Dvorak (06:33.841)
You know, I just finished my 17th book and I remember the first one, I don’t share that to brag, but I remember the weight of the first book and trying to figure it out. Can you unpack for our authors? Because I meet unbelievable people that are very successful, proficient thought leaders and they always tell me, I wish I had wrote a book, I’ve got this idea.
Can you unpack for our listeners if they have an idea of a book? How do you get started?
Layne Gray (07:08.343)
Yeah, it’s really interesting. Well, I think it’s particularly profound right now because of AI. You can just plug some things into chat GPT and it’ll come back and say, well, this may be something. We didn’t have that eight, 10 years ago. And I think starting with a…
core of what you’re trying to communicate. I think that, excuse me, I think that that is probably true in most every book that’s written is what do you want to accomplish? And even if you were to take that core and put it into chat GPT, you’d still have something that was true to you. So that’s probably where I would start.
And then I worked with a dear friend who is a incredibly accomplished author here in Europe. And he and I went away for a week and we created the whole graph. And when the antagonist is up, the protagonist is down, and we have this graph and how it all worked out. It was a lot of fun.
to go through because there are those characters in my book. So it could be a lot of fun. think most people should probably work with a writers group. I did not, but I think that that’s a really great place to start. It’s also a very lonely journey in that you and Doug, 17 books, I’m like five.
You know, I think there are some times when you’re just so focused and there’s nothing. You can’t have anything else. You’re just completely focused. So that’s its own being. I didn’t hate that because I actually, I being truly in the story because it’s fiction.
Layne Gray (09:32.65)
So the process for me was really enlightening. was great, it was lonely, it was exciting, it was, you know, when I would write something, some prose. So I wrote a lot of things because I read a lot and I would write all these different things down, like little quips that, you know, others would say, obviously I would not replicate them because that’s replication.
But I would take little tidbits from this and that to put into my storyline. So it was a great process. It was a long process. It takes a long time.
Doug Dvorak (10:16.443)
But I’d never asked you this when we were biking together, but I get the vibe that it was fun. It was challenging, it was work, but have fun with it. It’s not a sentence. It’s not a sentence to writer’s prison. So, Layne, how has being an author shaped the way you communicate as a leader and entrepreneur?
Layne Gray (10:36.425)
Well, I think I think the first thing that it does and probably the most thing that it does is it gives me I’m sad, you know it sounds right, but it gives me proper English You know when I write Emails not when I talk because I put arms every once in a while but when I when I write I Do pretty proper English? So so that’s that’s
One thing, two, in the bigger picture of what you’re asking is how is that impacted?
I think it’s just the possible and the impossible. It’s the fact that you can create something in your mind, which is the book, the novel, create something in your mind, and then you can relate from an entrepreneurial standpoint as to somebody creating something that’s different, much bigger.
And it’s a really great question, Doug, because I do think that the fact that I wrote this and had to create all these characters and storylines, et cetera, that I can look at an entrepreneur and say, sure, yeah, that’s really, I can believe in that. So it’s interesting.
Doug Dvorak (12:14.247)
And, you know, we’re always, at least in the U.S. and probably, you know, Western Europe, we’re always tethered to a device and to uncouple and be alone with one’s thoughts in a pad of paper or a laptop. That alone time for creative, critical thinking. It’s just wonderful. I enjoy it. I’m trying to make a conscious content. I’m trying to consciously untether more.
Layne Gray (12:30.503)
Okay.
Layne Gray (12:38.267)
Okay, one, two, three.
We are.
Doug Dvorak (12:44.131)
from the devices and just be alone with my thoughts are a great conversation. That’s great advice. So Layne, do you see storytelling as a tool for business and investing? If so, how? Because you’re really a storyteller at heart.
Layne Gray (12:50.075)
Yeah, yes. Well, first off, the book is storytelling. But second off, I think that you’re spot on in terms of investments. So I look to investments as an angel investor.
Doug Dvorak (13:17.329)
Can you unpack what an angel investor is? Because there’s private equity, there’s venture capitalists. What is an angel investor for our listeners, please?
Layne Gray (13:29.031)
Okay, so an angel investor takes on incredible risk. They come in at the earliest stages. So if there’s some sort of a graph, which I’m creating, there’s some sort of a graph. It’s somebody’s, the creator’s money, friends and family, angel investor.
and then venture capital. Early investor venture capital. Then there’s all sorts of other levels of venture capital. So an angel investor goes in and he or she actually takes what is called a convertible note. And so they don’t get stock. So they will put in, for example, $100,000. That’s my norm.
$100,000 and that is a convertible note. So supposedly, and it’s really interesting that they actually never delved into this, that is refundable, but nobody ever does it. Anyway, above and beyond that. You put in $100,000, for example, and then you negotiate certain terms. Terms are,
One, that when if a venture capital firm comes in, you get most favored nation. Meaning that any terms they have, you get. Two, you get a discount because you are an early investor. So you should ask for 20 % discount. So if the venture capital comes in at $1 a share, you should be at 80 cents a share.
Doug Dvorak (15:11.303)
Mmm.
Layne Gray (15:25.254)
So you get a, ultimately you get a 25 % boost on what you have done. So there’s a few things that you should do. so the venture capitalist comes after, what they usually do is they convert everything into stock. So your convertible note now goes into stock and that’s where you get conversion.
Doug Dvorak (15:54.939)
So is an angel investor just writing a check or do you write a check and then act as a coach or mentor to the business or an advisor as well?
Layne Gray (16:05.445)
Excellent question. Yes and no. So sometimes you just read a check and sometimes I have taken an active role. So I think my biggest investment, Rothy’s, which is now a billion dollar corporation, I was having lunches with the founders, helping them, et cetera. But as they grew and
major investors came in, Goldman Sachs, et cetera, came in, you know, they no longer needed me. which is totally fine. So you just kind of take it as it is. I have some friends who are, you know, very potty and they’re on multiple boards and, you know, they get to declare what they want. Mine, I don’t really need
to be on a board. So I’m really cool with just being able to advise. So being able to have lunches with the founders and Rothy’s back to them, you know, it’s actually a shoe company and the shoes are made out of recycled water bottles and
Doug Dvorak (17:19.739)
What is Rothy’s?
Layne Gray (17:35.444)
What is it? Alpagadas invested, which has the Haviana, the little flip-flops. So they actually bought 49 % of Rothes for a billion dollar valuation, which is super cool. But Rothes continues to excel and in building up through Europe.
around the world. So I continue to advise and interact with their CMO, their COO. So that’s really great. And actually for anybody who’s watching this, it’s very rewarding. I don’t need that formal position, although some people may ask for it. I don’t. But it’s really fun to be able to interact.
So I send them all sorts of ideas and most of them they respond to. So it’s all good.
Doug Dvorak (18:42.343)
Excellent. Well, let’s morph over from the first pillar of authorship and storytelling to entrepreneurial. Let’s talk about entrepreneurship. And can you walk us through your first entrepreneurial venture and what you learned from it?
Layne Gray (18:52.58)
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Layne Gray (19:05.745)
yeah, my first entrepreneurial endeavor was actually an event company. I
Doug Dvorak (19:16.219)
That, the way, you started with zero and grew and scaled it to over 30 team members and 20 million in revenues, right? Wow.
Layne Gray (19:23.06)
million dollars. Yep, I did. Thank you. yeah, so that started out as a, we talked about my divorce. I was married at the time. I threw a big party for my husband’s big birthday and it was really great and got to give him credit. Afterwards, he was like, you know what? You can really throw a great party.
So why don’t you combine your tech background, because I’ve been with Oracle and some other computer companies, and with your love of giving a party. And I was like, great idea. So I reached out. This is so long ago. It’ll definitely date me in that I sent letters out to people, which nobody sends letters anymore.
And that’s how it got started and it did, it grew quite big. And the reason it grew large is that my background was tech and marketing, but tech. But I wasn’t, it wasn’t party. And so what we tried to do was dovetail.
a client’s mission, marketing mission, like an annual mission into the various events that they wanted to complete. And that was very successful. And then there was the tech bust. And so I sold off a bunch of the various events. But we grew one in particular from zero to 15,000.
which is really cool. It’s called the RSA Conference and it continues now. I think it’s the largest cybersecurity conference. It’s probably five-fold of that at this point. We concluded in 2000, somewhere in the 2000s. So anyway.
Doug Dvorak (21:31.811)
Excellent. What’s been your biggest challenge as a founder and how did you overcome it?
Layne Gray (21:37.187)
Yeah, I think my biggest challenge has been is…
I think as an angel investor, that’s what you know her, looking at investing in a company, I don’t want to invest in a company that doesn’t have a co-founder. Because if it’s just one guy or gal, that’s the person. And so I think one of the biggest challenges is that in the various
startups I’ve created, I haven’t had a co-founder. And so that has been a challenge. I’ve tried to in the latest one, the mascara company, best mascara in the world, but in the mascara company, and it just didn’t work out. So yeah, that’s an issue.
Doug Dvorak (22:38.297)
Excellent. How do you identify, Layne, when an idea is worth pursuing and when to let it go?
Layne Gray (22:50.432)
I think it’s really interesting. I don’t know that we always know when something is worth pursuing versus letting go. So for those people who can do that, fantastic. If you can’t, I think it’s baby steps. think going a little bit in trying to pursue, if you’re an entrepreneur, you have to be looking at,
the positive. If you’re looking at the negative, it’s not the world for you. But if you’re looking at the positive, it’s like, okay, let me try these things. Sometimes an entrepreneur can go too far. And I’ll talk about that on a much bigger picture in a moment. But you have to say, okay, let me try these things.
If they don’t work, let me step back, try to go up and just try to go back and forth. The interesting thing that’s much bigger is that, excuse me, a lot of companies, one in particular, Altos Computer Systems, which no longer exists in my early career, is that the founders
think they can continue to go into perpetuity and that they’re successful at creating something and that means they’re going to be successful above and beyond, which is usually not true. And I think a lot of companies has done that very successfully in moving on. What is one? Brothies. Okay. The shoe company.
Two founders, fantastic. Roth is an incredible designer. Steven, co-founder, was a great finance guy from Roberts & Stevens, which is an old investment banking firm. Great. But then as the company grew, they realized they weren’t the right guys. And they brought in, actually it’s an all-female team.
Layne Gray (25:15.445)
Not that they’re looking specifically for that, they’re just looking for the best of the best. And I think it’s really important for companies to understand that they need to change, they need to add talent to what they’re doing.
Doug Dvorak (25:32.792)
Excellent.
Doug Dvorak (26:25.275)
Layne, many entrepreneurs talk about failure as part of the process. What’s one failure that actually set you up for success?
Layne Gray (26:26.602)
Yep.
Layne Gray (26:43.018)
So I think a failure that I had…
was that I was actually trying to help nonprofits raise money. And so I created this platform called Motivive that nonprofits would send used clothes and we would sell them and then give the proceeds back to them. I was so excited about that. I absolutely loved what we were doing and being able
to help these nonprofits. It did not succeed and a lot of the used clothes platforms haven’t necessarily been profitable. So I thought I was early in the process, but it doesn’t really matter, it didn’t work. And how did that help me succeed? It made me realize that
Not everything is just going to be perfect. That you have to actually make things happen that are worthwhile. So what I was doing with the Motivive was trying to help nonprofits. And that was kind of a, I don’t know if you would call it a soft sell. But if you really, really want to make it in business, it has to be a hard sell.
And so that really set me up into angel investing in it’s like, what am I looking for? What do I expect, et cetera. So I thought that that was really profound.
Doug Dvorak (28:31.847)
Excellent. So what drew you into angel investing and what excites you most about working with startups?
Layne Gray (28:39.497)
my God, mean angel investing. Well, angel investing is very risky for anybody who’s thinking about it. It’s, know, somebody asked me one time, like, know, can you use your retirement? And answer is no. It has to be auxiliary money that you’re not dependent on anywhere else. So that’s number one. But it’s…
It’s a lot of fun if you find companies that are doing super interesting things. Right now, I am out of the curve because I’m primarily in Europe and not in the fold anymore. But AI, actually, the wave has probably already gone with AI. But it’s a lot of fun. I think working with entrepreneurs,
who are doing interesting things. For me, let’s go back to my reference of Rothy’s, know, taking marine plastic that are these plastic bottles that get sent out into the sea or reused, et cetera, and making those into really stylish shoes is super cool. So those.
That’s really, really fun. I’m working with another company that is allowing their initial, what I would call a hyper silo, their initial audience are hairstylists who are experts to their clientele.
when I go to my hairstylist, if he uses a particular product, I want to buy that product. Well, this actually monetizes that. that’s really fun. So I really enjoy those aspects. I’m different in that I’m not part of a group. I’m not part of an investor group. So I think there are more formal organizations who look at
Layne Gray (30:58.526)
broader opportunities. For me it is opportunities that are brought to me by friends and associates.
Doug Dvorak (31:09.841)
So Layne, what qualities do you look for in founders when deciding to invest?
Layne Gray (31:14.238)
interesting that you asked that Doug, it is the founders that are most important. The product, absolutely, but if you had to qualify or rate them, it would be founders, number one, and then the product, number two, and it has to be two founders, as I said previously.
not one because you’ve got to the yang and the yang if one goes the other is here etc.
I look for, you know, obviously everybody looks for somebody who’s had success before, of course. But if you’re looking at a 22 year old, which is way too young for me, but if you’re looking at somebody fresh out of college and he or she has a great idea, you know, you want to evaluate it. And I am not a technophile despite a math degree. I’m not.
the guy or gal who’s looking at deep, deep coding. I’m looking at something that is accessible by the consumer. So those are important aspects to me.
Doug Dvorak (32:42.385)
How do you balance the emotional side of believing in a founder with the practical side of evaluating risk?
Layne Gray (32:53.373)
This is difficult. you just you have to There has to be
Doug Dvorak (32:58.353)
Do you go with the data and then ultimately you go with your gut after you’ve processed the data looking at, or what’s your approach?
Layne Gray (33:04.101)
Well, it’s sort of like, yeah, yeah. It’s sort of like me with traveling. You know, I travel so much here in Europe and I go to Airbnbs and I read the reviews of the Airbnb and that helps me make a decision. I look at them on one hand, of the beauty of their view or the apartment and the other hand.
what other people are saying. And so I think it’s just a balance. have to…
You just have to figure it out.
Doug Dvorak (33:49.297)
Yeah, for me and my father-in-law who is very successful, it’s got to pass the smell test after you’ve looked at all the data. And for me, when I deploy capital, I ensure that I look at the data, make intelligent decisions, then I ultimately go with my gut in addition to the data points. Have you noticed any particular trends or industries that you think are especially promising for the future?
Layne Gray (34:14.531)
AI, AI, AI.
Doug Dvorak (34:17.317)
Yeah, AI is, I believe it’s in the evolution of human progression in history. We’re going to look back at this as a seminal event. And I say, embrace it. You don’t have to get so deep to write code or AI prompts, but it is like having a super assistant that you don’t have to pay.
Layne Gray (34:41.434)
Thank you.
Doug Dvorak (34:44.187)
You don’t have to manage, you don’t have to insure. It’s allowed my business, my creativity to flourish and the volume of good work that I can do as a result of chat and Claude and all those other tools is amazing. So it’s gonna be interesting how that evolves and plays out. Let’s morph to women in business and investing.
Layne Gray (34:49.404)
Emotion.
Doug Dvorak (35:11.227)
What unique perspective do you think female entrepreneurs and investors bring to the table?
Layne Gray (35:17.468)
I think that’s more than anything else. It’s emotional. I don’t know that there’s anything else I need to say.
Doug Dvorak (35:29.179)
Have you faced challenges breaking into the investing space as a woman and how did you navigate them?
Layne Gray (35:37.977)
Interesting question. Initially the answer is no, because I don’t really think of my involvement in investing as being a woman versus a man over here.
But there have been tones that have shown that…
that maybe my perspective has not been as important as others. Has that been prevalent? No, in one particular investment it has, but in others it has not. don’t, you know, it’s interesting, Doug, that you asked that question. Because for me, I don’t really think of myself
as a woman investing. I think of myself as an investor and perhaps, you know, whom I’m working with, who I’m talking to, I’m potentially investing in, looks at it that way. And you can get inklings of that.
There’s been one in particular that I’ve chosen not to work with because I got the sense that my perspective was not equal to theirs. So, you know, I think you just need to be aware. Am I bitter because women are not perceived as great as men? No. You know, we just have to persevere.
Doug Dvorak (37:28.645)
I look at related to that question I asked Lincoln and his cabinet. you know, some presidents surround themselves in their cabinet with like-minded people. What Lincoln did is he wanted divergent views. And I think the richness of females, diversity, different points of view on a board or my personal board of directors that I look to for.
Layne Gray (37:46.299)
Okay.
Doug Dvorak (37:54.907)
big life decisions and investment, I want that diversity and certainly a female’s perspective. Layne, what advice would you give to women who want to step into entrepreneurship or angel investing but feel hesitant?
Layne Gray (37:59.429)
Totally.
Layne Gray (38:10.186)
Okay, so first entrepreneurship. I think if you’ve got a really great idea, I think you need to talk to a bunch of friends and or family and see what they think. Then and then move out to the next layer of the onion and talk to some people who might have a
a relevant impact or idea and then go out from there. So that’s how we would do entrepreneurship. Angel investing is a totally different, excuse me, business. That is, you have a core amount of investment dollars that you are willing to spend. I don’t recommend
spending more than 10 % of what your your core is on any one particular investment. So if you’ve got a million dollars, I don’t as disposable again, not retirement, not anything else has to be disposable because it can and most of it will go away. anyway, so say you have that and
And I know that is high-fluten, but the reality is that nobody wants a thousand dollar investment. So it’s just not realistic for angel investing. If you want to be in the big leagues. And so putting those out there, I have only done…
two repeat investments. So I’ve done many that have been won and then two in particular I felt that their growth patterns warranted additional money which they needed and they’ve continued to grow. No outcomes yet but so.
Layne Gray (40:29.113)
Does that answer your question?
Doug Dvorak (40:30.491)
Yeah, that’s great. Let’s talk about the mission possible mindset. What does the phrase mission possible mean to you as an author, entrepreneur, and investor?
Layne Gray (40:38.169)
Oh my gosh Doug, first off, I just love the concept. I think Mission Possible said it all. We all understand Mission Impossible, so there’s that juxtaposition to Possible. it is, to me what it means is that you’re on this journey, Mission, and you’re trying to make it happen.
And that’s exciting and scary and thrilling and all sorts of things. I think it’s, I think with your particular podcast, I think it’s really compelling that you can kind of be that safety net. Cause I think you work with companies, individuals, cetera.
to kind of help them get from the idea and from that scary point to the next level. So yeah, that’s what I think.
Doug Dvorak (43:33.895)
So let’s take it up with my favorite part, the tail end of the interview, the rapid fire round, fun and engaging. So five questions, whatever comes to mind. Three, three, two, one. Awesome. Layne, thanks so much. I’ve really enjoyed our time together. Now my favorite part of the Mission Possible podcast, the rapid fire round, fun and engaging.
Layne Gray (43:46.711)
Okay.
Doug Dvorak (44:02.919)
I’m gonna ask you a series of five questions. First thought that comes to your mind, you ready? All right, first business book you ever read.
Layne Gray (44:03.006)
Thank
Yes.
Layne Gray (44:13.43)
Tom Peters in search of excellence.
Doug Dvorak (44:17.391)
Excellent. One startup you wish you invested in early.
Layne Gray (44:22.872)
Facebook.
Doug Dvorak (44:27.057)
Coffee, tea, or champagne to celebrate a win.
Layne Gray (44:31.081)
IT
Doug Dvorak (44:32.721)
What’s your personal motto in business?
Layne Gray (44:42.807)
Okay, go.
Doug Dvorak (44:45.99)
Go.
Layne Gray (44:47.424)
Think.
Revise.
Doug Dvorak (44:51.688)
think, revise. Excellent. Next big dream on your entrepreneurial or author’s journey.
Layne Gray (44:58.71)
Mmm.
I think I’d really love to have the first book, because I really believe in it, the first book, Crushed, made into a TV series. Maybe a movie, but really now that Netflix at all creates those. Because I think it’s a really cool story to be told.
Doug Dvorak (45:28.103)
Excellent. My guest has been Layne Gray. She’s in Italy. She’s an author, entrepreneur, very successful, but a very kind person and an angel investor. Layne, if our listeners, viewers want to purchase your book, tell us where they can purchase it. Give us your website and how they can reach out.
Layne Gray (45:30.87)
Thank
Layne Gray (45:49.462)
It’s it’s you’re so sweet. Thank you. It’s layne gray dot com. It’s not to promote it. I’m not good at that but he you are able yeah dot com
Doug Dvorak (45:57.439)
L A Y N E G R A Y so lay L A Y N E G R A Y dot com are your books on Amazon and Kindle?
Layne Gray (46:08.701)
We, yes, yes, they are. Yeah, I know. Living in Paris is, you know, I confuse so many languages despite the fact that English is obviously my first. So, Doug, thank you so much. It’s so sweet of you to invite me. I’m so appreciative. And if I can provide any input or advice to anyone.
Doug Dvorak (46:10.426)
We were not in France.
Layne Gray (46:36.394)
Really happy about that, so thank you.
Doug Dvorak (46:38.993)
Great. Our guest has been Layne Gray. Thanks, Layne. Really, the time has flown. It’s been an awesome opportunity, and thank you for the privilege of your time to get into Layne’s Mission Possible mindset. Check us out on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and missionpossible.biz. Carpe diem.
Layne Gray (46:58.528)
Thank you.