Podcast #32 – Ron James: The Truth About UFOs, UAPs & Non-Human Intelligence

Doug Dvorak (00:02.37)
Good day, Mission Possible Podcast community. My name is Doug Dvorak. I’m your host and video navigator, where we interview some of the world’s thought leaders on a variety of different topics. My guest today, and I’m so excited. I am so excited to have Ron James, who is the co-founder of MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network. He’s a world’s leading authority on UFO and UAP. His

movie that came out c on UFOs and UAPs called Accidental Truth, UFO Revelations, has been heralded by many in the UFO UO UAP space as the most significant documentary in the history of UFO and UAP. Ron, good to have you

Ron James (00:52.349)
Hey, thanks for having me on there. Although I do want to make sure I don’t get myself in trouble. you know, MUFON was founded in nineteen

Or something like that. So I’m I’m actually their media relations director, but I’m not a co-founder. and the that’s okay. The the the film Accidental Truth UFO Revelations came out in twenty twenty three. And the film Accidental Truth Next, which is the sequel, is the film that’s out right now. And people can see Accidental Truth UFO Revelations on YouTube for free. And Accidental Truth Next is available on Amazon and the other platforms. So

Doug Dvorak (01:06.636)
My bad.

Ron James (01:30.057)
Just wanted to make sure that nobody from Mufon’s watching and I don’t get myself in trouble for claiming to be a co founder.

Doug Dvorak (01:37.548)
No, th that’s my bad ’cause in in my research it it mentions you in some of the social posts as as MUFON co founder and national media director. But thanks for for clearing that up. So bef

Ron James (01:48.509)
Yeah, they th those things happen. It’s perfectly c cool.

Doug Dvorak (01:51.596)
Yeah, so you know, UFOs, UAPs, first unpack the difference, if any, because I grew up on UFOs. I’m hearing UA UAPs and you know, Trump’s out there saying things and you know, Tim Burkett, a congressman who cited you in a in a congressional meeting, but w gimme unpack for our listeners, UFO, UAP, what’s the correct parlance if any?

Ron James (02:17.833)
Well, unid UFO stands for unidentified flying object and it’s been the the phrase that we’ve used for years and years to describe the phenomenon. But lately it’s become UAP, which originally was unidentified aerial phenomenon and now it’s evolved to be unidentified anomalous phenomenon, which is a lot of tongue twisters, but

The phrase UAP has actually been around just about as long as the phrase UFO. It just hasn’t been the one that people have chosen to use. So way back in the nineteen fifties when Kenneth Arnold had his first UFO sighting, that’s when these phrases were were coined. flying saucer, UFO, UAP. They all come from about that time frame back in the in the late forties, early fifties. But

UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon is what they’re using now to just basically describe any number of anomalous activity that are happening in the sky, in space, and even in the ocean.

Doug Dvorak (03:24.973)
So Ron, for our listeners who may not know your work, can you share your journey into the world of UFO and UAP research?

Ron James (03:33.608)
Yeah, I was always somebody as a just as an individual who was interested in this kind of of topic. I you know, I watched all the T V shows and I’ve always been interested in kind of the mysteries that humanity faces. And I have a video production company and back in that that I own and I started back in two thousand six or so, a guy named Steve Bassett came through town. I was living in Sedona at the time.

And when he found out I had a video production company, he asked me if I would possibly be able to help him with live streaming and filming his ex conference, UFO conference in Washington, DC. And so he hired me to do the work. And I went out there and all of a sudden all these people that I’d seen on television were were there. You know, I mean, there’s Nick Pope, there’s Stanton Friedman, there’s George Knapp, there’s there’s George Norrie, there’s

all these people that I had come to to watch on TV and to read their books, all of a sudden I was with them and I was among them. And when I started really getting to know these people, I realized how dedicated they are to this cause of solving the problem of humanity’s biggest deception. And I realized that they were dedicated and that they were right. H humanity has been lied to

from our ancient religious teachings all the way to the current government and it’s the biggest question facing humanity. And so I kinda got the bug, so to speak, and I dedicated a certain amount of my work and my time towards trying to make content that helped to unveil this.

Doug Dvorak (05:17.343)
Interesting. So that’s when you you you said there’s something real to this and these are real people. They’re not kooks. They’re intelligent. They’re normal human beings that experience something incredibly impactful and different. Now you’ve spent decades studying UFO phenomenon. How has the conversation changed from since you started to today? It’s getting a lot of a lot of press on on Rogan,

Trump, really credible politicians, thought leaders, but how’s the conversations changed since you st started studying UFO and UFP?

Ron James (05:55.296)
Well, Doug, I think the sad thing is is the conversation hasn’t changed that much. When when yeah, when people say, look, we’re having all this transparency, we’re having all this disclosure, if they know their history, they will understand that what we’re seeing now is a repeat performance of something that we’ve seen numerous times over the decades, and in particularly a repeat performance of something we saw back in the nineteen fifties. There was a

Doug Dvorak (05:59.682)
Really.

Ron James (06:22.673)
A general named General Samford, and there was a UFO ex-military whistleblower, so to speak, named Don Keho, that came forward among many others, it came forward in the fifties where they described in non-human intelligently guided craft. They didn’t say they were non-human, but they said they were technology that was not ours. they Don Keho said that we had reverse engineered crash craft and

Books were written and television shows were made and it was a huge topic socially back in the fifties, just as big as it is now. And then it kind of died out with the end of Project Blue Book to the point where it wasn’t quite as as as in the mainstream as it is. But we still had the T V shows Ancient Aliens came out. we have now a whole generation of people that grew up with this show. And

Doug Dvorak (07:03.029)
Mm.

Ron James (07:21.159)
Now, what we’re seeing is all of a sudden a whole new group of whistleblowers, supposed, come forward. We had Lou Elizondo who came forward in 2017 to talk about how he worked on this UFO program, ATIP. Christopher Mellon helped release some videos. It showed us three videos of of whatever those things are. We still don’t know. But the current

The current phase of what people are calling disclosure is really a repeat performance of something we’ve had in the past. And it’s been almost ten years since Lou Elizondo first came forward. And we really do not have anything definitive to to show for this new transparency and this new disclosure. The government’s put out some more materials. A lot of it has been out there for a long time. A lot of it’s been public domain.

A lot of it has been debunked, a lot of it’s been Freedom of Information Act requested documents that we already knew about. So we’re really getting an extension of a controlled disclosure at best and no disclosure at worst.

Doug Dvorak (08:28.077)
Mm-hmm.

Interesting. So I don’t know, three, six months ago the airspace over El Paso was closed and when people were looking for answers they saw some UAP. I can’t recall if they were caught on on, you know, military jet video or whatever. But, you know, some people s claim that this is a

China, it’s someone that has technology that we don’t or it’s our technology. Can you sort of unpack that for us? Because you know, in the mil in in the defense industry, what we’re seeing the weapons today, what they used to take out Maduro and that sound machine, there’s four other iterations of of new technology that we’re not even aware of.

I is it home grown or is it really are these UFO and UF UAP sightings that aren’t drones or a weather balloon, are they from our planet or are they from another galaxy?

Ron James (09:28.457)
Well, because the government isn’t going to tell us the entire truth, we have no way of knowing definitively. We can speculate and we can make educated guesses, but it seems as though there has been non human technology on this planet ever since we started recording history. Christopher Columbus reported seeing orbs as he crossed the ocean. the in our ancient religious texts, there’s stories of non human intelligence interacting with humanity. And the technology itself.

you know, we see we have World War Two where we had the the foo fighters that were trailing our craft that were very similar to the things that we’re seeing today. So it would seem that the existence of some sort of technology predates our ability to create it. Even if you want to debate that maybe the some of this stuff that we’re seeing now is human technology, secret programs, etc.

The history of this thing goes way back to the point we were seeing technology in the skies in the as early as we started taking records. So it’s highly unlikely that human beings of our civilization are creating these things. So then it leads to the question of, well, where are they from? And the current thinking really is that they could be from any number of places, including civilizations that may have survived on Earth.

that we just don’t know about, that could be living underground, could be in bases in Antarctica, under the ocean. they could be extraterrestrial from other planets. And they could be coming from places where we don’t even really understand these places exist yet. So the the question is, are they coming from numerous places? Probably. are they definitely non in some cases non human technology? At least not humans like we know.

There could be other varieties of humans that that are more advanced than us, but at the end of the day, we can’t continue to ignore these things and where they’re from is you know, it opens up a whole avenue of discussion.

Doug Dvorak (11:34.936)
So I read that Bush won when he was president, convened the best thought leaders on UFO, UAP, scientists, public policy experts, and had it the old Ben Franklin, you know, T bar, positive and negative. Should we release this information, the real information to the

the the US and to the world and they made the determination no because it would be too disruptive for you know, civil unrest, chaos, people freaking out, religion. D do you have you heard that? Is there any credibility to that that that story?

Ron James (12:20.649)
Well, I think that people with the ability to to have a hand in disclosure have had this debate since there was something since the cover up began. Back in the late thirties, early forties, into the fifties, this information was sequestered officially by government into programs that nobody really knows exist and that don’t have any accountability whatsoever to the people or to the government.

They’ve been merged with private industry and the the the secrets have been kept. Now why they chose to keep these this truth a secret has a lot has to do with a lot of different elements. And every administration, presidential, and every group that has come and been the successor of this secrecy has faced the question, do we share this knowledge with humanity or don’t we?

And the reason for the secrecy has evolved over time to the point where, you know, it’s not even so much about a the the secret itself as it is about the accountability that some people are going to have to take for what is basically a crime against humanity in holding this knowledge captive for as long as they have. So as as they look at the you know, the pros and cons of disclosure, the the those pros and cons evolve.

And every every administration, for what limited power they have, faces the same questions. And to me, it’s just like, you know, you guys have had a hundred years, you’ve been lying to us. Let’s just knock it off and get the truth out. We’ll deal with it.

Doug Dvorak (14:00.619)
So, you know, with the internet over the last thirty years and and social media, the the great democratization of of information, some some real, some false. Is is that making it easier for people to try to find the truth with FOIA, Freedom of Information Act, or people sharing ideas, sightings, data on on UFOs, UAP. Is that is that helping in your opinion?

Ron James (14:31.465)
Well, I mean, the the civilian organizations that have been doing this for as long as they have. MUFAN was founded at the end of Project Blue Book in the in the s the sixties. they they’re doing what they can to push things along. And then there’s people inside of government that that feel that people deserve the truth, and then there’s also people inside of government that feel that we do not need to know the truth and

If frankly, at the end of the day, the sad thing is is that none of us really know exactly what the truth is. We just know we’re not being told. So we’re seeing this evolution of disclosure, but at the end of the day, it’s not anything that is going to you know peel all the layers off the onion. We’re gonna get at some point probably some acknowledgement that non human intelligence is indeed a thing. But are they ever gonna come out and s and tell us everything that they know?

And tell us everything that they’ve done to cover it up, highly unlikely. And that’s the sad state of of current disclosure.

Doug Dvorak (15:33.677)
So Ron, if you were in a room with any government officials you could invite and you had in a room for one hour, w what would you ask What what are some of the questions you’d ask?

Ron James (15:45.204)
Well, I wouldn’t really be asking questions. well, when you say government officials, what do you mean? you know, I mean if you go into a room with a congressperson, which I have been in several rooms with several congresspeople, these guys don’t know anything. You know, that they just because you’re in Congress doesn’t mean you have a high level security clearance and it doesn’t mean you’re gonna get taken into a skiff and told the history of of the deception. That’s all need to know.

Doug Dvorak (15:49.333)
Yeah, let’s

Ron James (16:10.567)
So, you know, all of our front-facing politicians are just as curious as you and I. And they are they’re they’re kept in the dark just like the rest of us. They only recently have they started to get their security clearances so they can be read into information. And these guys are basically now they’re helping to keep the secret instead of helping to distribute the truth, which is a really sad evolution of what we’ve seen in Congress.

But and then as far as government, even as you get into the Pentagon and you get into the intelligence agencies, very, very few people in what we could call front facing government or even clandestine government really know what’s going on. You could probably count on one hand the number of people that are left alive that know the entire history of this of this field, going all the way back to the thirties and forties, and those people are few and far between. And

Everything is compartmentalized. So you might have a whole science group that is studying a piece of metal, but it doesn’t mean they know the truth about where it came from or what it is. So this the the truth has been diluted. So you first you’d have to know who to ask. And the people that that are the gatekeepers of this knowledge are not people you’re ever gonna see on TV. They are very, very deep inside these agencies and inside private industry, and none of them are stepping forward. So

You know, when you say, Well, who would you want to talk to? We don’t even know who to ask, honestly. You can say, Well, I I’d like to talk to some of the more famous people, Eric Davis, you know, the people like Tim Taylor. They these are all people that that have inf information, how put off, that that are front facing and they’d certainly be at the top of my list. Admiral Wilson is another one. if Dick Cheney was still alive, I’d I’d want to talk to him.

Doug Dvorak (17:41.771)
So what

Ron James (18:05.405)
But at the end of the day, just because you get in a room doesn’t mean they’re gonna tell you anything.

Doug Dvorak (18:09.993)
If you did have the right people, what are what are some questions, two or three questions you would like to have answered honestly if you could, relative to UFO and U the UAP phenomena?

Ron James (18:23.613)
Well, you know, when it w when did this start? The the they say that what I call the modern era of UFO d secrecy started with a recovered craft in Italy that was that was the church arranged for this craft to be delivered to the United States, and that was in the late thirties, and that began what we call the modern era of UFO secrecy. So, you know, is that true? The I think the questions that we would ask is we already have

a whole boatload of anecdotal evidence about everything from specific crash retrievals to specific military bases where stuff is studied. We have technology that has originated supposedly from these kind of of incidents. And so it would be going back through the history that the UFO investigative community is aware of and verifying whether or not it’s correct. That would be where I would start.

You know, what really happened at Roswell, what really happened at Kexburg, what really happened in Kingman, Arizona, what base really exists where they’re storing this stuff, and what technology has arisen from these discoveries.

Doug Dvorak (19:35.736)
So to your earlier point, the sightings of UFOs UAPs have been around since Columbus and and earlier than that religious texts. If they were nefari nefarious or evil with that technology, they could have done us great harm. What’s your take on on this this f form of life and h non human intelligence? Are they good? Are they evil? Are they watching us?

Unpack that for us.

Ron James (20:08.083)
Well, you know, there’s some that that would say that it’s as above so below. There is no definitive way to tag these beings because frankly there could be many different beings coming from many different places with many different agendas. So when we say are they good or evil, you know, there’s we can’t really pin our definitions on some sort of being when we don’t even understand what life forms exist.

So it’s very har hard to say if it if there’s an interdimensional being that somehow has the ability to interact with us, does that are they good or evil? we can’t we can’t define that. And good to us might not be good or evil to them. You know, just as an example, if we get a anthill of fire ants in our yard, then you know that’s a problem. We’re gonna eradicate the fire ants probably.

Are we evil because we eradicated the anthive? Well, the ants might think so, but to us we’re just keeping our environment clean. So there could be a lot of different species, a lot of different types of life, and they could be living on their own moral compass, and whether or not we would perceive their actions as good or evil is irrelevant to them, because they’re not accountable to us. So people are saying that.

you know, these are angels and demons for you know, with biblical biblical references. But are they? Part of the explanation could be covered through those filters, but it I don’t think it identifies everything. So when we we’re we’re kind of naive to say are they good or evil because we just don’t know. And we don’t know at all what implications they have and what moral code they they live by.

Doug Dvorak (21:58.924)
Yeah, that’s a that’s a great ’cause I I s I tend to generalize, so could be multiple forms of non human intelligence from other galaxies, d other technologies, different moral compass. And that was a great on the fire ant hill great analogy. Ron, if confirmed contact with a non human intelligence occurred tomorrow, what would be the biggest impact on societies around the planet?

Ron James (22:24.895)
Well, I think it has to do with the context, Doug. If a non human intelligence were to make itself known and the implications were, hey, we’re here. We we’re we’re a species that is ultimately going to welcome humanity into a galactic family and you’re gonna become a spacefaring race and we’ve been here all along and everything’s great. most people are just gonna go about their daily lives and say, Well, thank you for that knowledge. Let us know what

comes next. However, if it’s, you know, these beings exist, we’re not sure of their motives, they have technology that we cannot defend ourselves against. They may have nefarious intentions for humanity, then that’s going to have a completely different effect. So whenever we hear this humanity is ready for the truth, we can’t really say that, I believe, because we’re we might be ready for some truths, but depending on the context of what the truth is,

W we might not be ready.

Doug Dvorak (23:25.911)
Now, what does UFO UAP phenomena teach us about humanity and our place in the universe?

Ron James (23:32.756)
Well, you know, that’s the whole purpose of the new film, Accidental Truth Next. we at we are asking those questions. There are some people who believe that our whole reality is basically a simulation and that these things that are happening and that we’re seeing have a role in helping us to understand the true nature of reality and the true nature of our existence. So if that’s true, it opens up an entire new avenue that we have to start exploring about.

where we come from, what we are, what is our place in the universe. And it harkens back to our most ancient of spiritual teachings to say we’re living in an illusionary reality. We’re here to learn, we’re here to evolve, and that we are spiritual creatures having a human experience. And if that is true, consciousness being fundamental, which a lot of people forward thinkers now believe, if that’s true, then we’re dealing with a situation where these things are could very well be here just to help

Provoc our thought process.

Doug Dvorak (24:35.285)
I love what you said. I’ve never heard of that. Spiritual creatures having a human would you please share that again? That was really No, it’s great though.

Ron James (24:41.373)
Yeah, I didn’t make up the phrase. It it there was a book, I think, with the same title, but it’s you know, that we’re spiritual beings having a human experience. And where that comes from is the idea that consciousness is fundamental. And that’s a, you know, that’s that’s three simple words that have huge implications. If consciousness is fundamental, meaning that consciousness exists before all else, then everything else springs forth from consciousness.

Materialist science has a really hard time with that. It’s it’s it’s called the you know, the big question in science is determining whether or not this is actually true. But we’re seeing a lot of evidence that that suggests that consciousness is the only active force and that everything, including the desk you’re sitting at and the microphone you’re talking into and the world we live in, all springs forth as an energetic manifestation of conscious energy. So

when we say that we’re spiritual beings having a human experience, our origin is from this conscious energy. Call it God, call it anything you want to call it, but we it is the only active force in the universe. And once you understand that, then you can understand simulation theory, you can understand the nature of good and evil, you can understand the whole reason we’re here and what it means. And I think that the phenomenon really is is here in a lot of ways to open up our eyes.

Doug Dvorak (26:04.235)
Have you experienced any encounters with UFOs, UAPs?

Ron James (26:09.423)
you know, I live in Sedona. There’s some strange things that happen here. We can go out on any given night and with night vision cameras and record things. d that I know of that I remember, I haven’t really had any kind of I’m not an experiencer, so to speak, which is people that have had these encounters with non human intelligence and been taken aboard craft and things like that. I haven’t had any of those things happen to me. I I believe that my ability to be objective would be a

drastically affected and I don’t think I could do the work I do if I if I’d had those kind of things happen to me because I wouldn’t be able to stay neutral and look for the truth and the facts.

Doug Dvorak (26:50.541)
So what keeps you motivated to continue researching this topic?

Ron James (26:55.379)
Well, we can all choose how we want to live our lives. to me, you know, exploring some of the deeper questions about our existence is a is a worthy thing to do when you have extra time on your hands. I I I have a business of of producing media productions that I do for a living and I put my extra effort and my extra revenue into exploring these topics. Life after death, are we alone in the universe?

And what is the nature of our reality? And I had long considered these to be three different avenues of inquiry, but I’m realizing now that they are very much interconnected.

Doug Dvorak (27:35.839)
Interesting. So what developments should people watch for relative to UFO UAP in the next five years?

Ron James (27:46.196)
Well, the government’s going to have to do something. They can’t keep denying the existence of these things. you know, eventually private space, private t consumer level technology and many other things, including the experiencer phenomenon, are going to come together in such a way that it’s going to be undeniable that there is non human intelligence of many varieties interacting with humanity.

So how that comes out in such a way that it can be cemented into our social construct remains to be seen. But I would not be surprised if we did get it from the government at least the acknowledgement that there are non-human intelligent species in the universe and possibly interacting with us. They’ve already admitted that they found evidence of life on Mars, even though they’re still saying microbial, at least it’s proof from NASA.

that is being acknowledged that life can exist on other planets. So I think the life in the universe conversation is going to evolve. I think that the the non human, intelligently controlled technology is going to be acknowledged, but they’re gonna continue to say they they don’t know for sure what any of this is, but at least we’ll get the ball down the field a little bit.

Doug Dvorak (29:02.923)
Are there any scientific breakthroughs, emerging technology that might help solve this mystery that you’re aware of? AI or

Ron James (29:14.739)
Well yeah, you know we’re the the government is and I keep saying the government, it’s you know, there there’s there’s private industry, there’s strategic alliances with government. technology is growing by leaps and bounds. We’re developing sensors that are capable of detecting these craft all the way down to the civilian level now. There’s there’s actually civilian organizations that are putting out technology that they say will help detect these these craft.

And so now the the the keys of the kingdom, so to speak, are no longer in the hands exclusively of government. And so, you know, technology that is going to be able to reveal this stuff, the fact that civilian groups are making more headway in space, other countries are making more headway in space, and more and more evidence coming forward that the the gatekeepers of this information can no longer contain.

We have materials that are popping up in the hands of experiencers that the you know, the guys in black cars can’t go and take this stuff out of a mailbox anymore and take it out of circulation. The the ability to uncover the truth is overwhelming the ability to cover it up.

Doug Dvorak (30:27.447)
Say that one more time. The ability of

Ron James (30:31.677)
The the the ability to to uncover the truth is outweighing the ability to cover it up. I know, I just made that up. That’s pretty cool. I’m gonna write that one down.

Doug Dvorak (30:41.813)
That is really cool, Ron. You’re you’re a deep thinker. You’re a deep thinker and very intelligent. So Ron, as we we wind down, if you could leave our listeners with one message about UFOs and UAPs, what would it be?

Ron James (30:55.923)
That the the UAP phenomenon is only the beginning. It opens the door to so many other things that we have to start thinking about as far as our existence. The our most ancient of religious teachings, every from the time we were able to write, are all telling us that we’re living in an illusion. That the the Christianity speaks of it. Jesus spoke of us being in a that this world is an illusion. The Eastern religions have the Maya, the the and even Islam.

Considers this world that we live in as an almost laughable illusion. And we put this stuff on the shelf. At the same time, we claim to embrace our spiritual teachings. You know, the three major world religions are something that the majority of people on the planet adhere to. However,

They seem to struggle with the idea that that there’s non human intelligence interacting with us. Well, we’ve been taught that from the beginning. Why is that an what why is that something if you if you are a religious person b living your life based on religious texts, then why is the idea of non-human intelligence a bitter pill to swallow? We’re gonna find that the the the new knowledge and the new revelations brings us back full circle to things that we as a species and a civilization

Have been taught since there were teachers and students.

Doug Dvorak (32:21.613)
Interesting. Ron, so really the the thirty-three minutes flew by. I end each podcast with what I call ten rapid fire questions. So I’m gonna ask those to you in one word or a short response. Are you ready? Sure. All right. If an alien spacecraft landed in your backyard tonight, what’s the first question you’d ask?

Ron James (32:38.057)
Sure.

Ron James (32:45.817)
could you please not ruin my lawn?

Doug Dvorak (32:48.653)
Roswell, misunderstood event, government cover up or something else completely.

Ron James (32:56.208)
it’s a government cover up of a misunderstood event.

Doug Dvorak (32:59.635)
One UFO case every listener should investigate for themselves.

Ron James (33:04.617)
Well Roswell’s one and there’s others, Kexburg.

Doug Dvorak (33:08.715)
What’s more likely extraterrestrials, interdimensional beings, or technology from a future civilization?

Ron James (33:16.2)
All of the above.

Doug Dvorak (33:18.155)
What movie gets UFOs most right?

Ron James (33:21.321)
I think Steven Spielberg’s new disclosure day, as much as people are trash talking it, I think he nailed it.

Doug Dvorak (33:28.097)
What’s one UFO myth you’d love to permanently debunk?

Ron James (33:33.515)
UFO myth to permanently debunk. I don’t know if we could debunk any of You know, there’s certainly things that have been been proved to be untrue, like the Gulf Breeze UFOs. That’s that’s one that that that is you know, it’s out there, but there’s been a lot of evidence against it.

Doug Dvorak (33:52.608)
Interesting. If you could spend one hour with any famous UFO UAP experience or witness it, who would it be and why?

Ron James (34:01.455)
Leonard Stringfield. He was the most the probably the the best UFO investigator of all time and very few people know about him now, but this is a guy that had access back in the day to military and government officials that actually told him things and he when he passed away he took the keys to the kingdom with him.

Doug Dvorak (34:22.081)
What’s more mysterious to you, the UFO UAP phenomenon or human consciousness?

Ron James (34:28.189)
Well, I think that they’re intertwined and I think that human consciousness we’re starting to realize that consciousness is fundamental and science is gonna have to catch up with that understanding. So human consciousness is if consciousness is fundamental, everything springs forth from that, including UFOs.

Doug Dvorak (34:46.741)
In one word, what does the future of UFO disclosure look like?

Ron James (34:51.367)
Lies.

Doug Dvorak (34:52.961)
Finish this sentence. The biggest UFO UAP question humanity still needs answered is

Ron James (34:59.069)
If they exist at all.

Doug Dvorak (35:01.697)
Bonus question. Ron, if humanity receives a verified message from a non-human intelligence tomorrow morning, what would you hope that message says?

Ron James (35:11.941)
get your shit together.

Doug Dvorak (35:14.573)
Ron, it’s been a a a high honor and privilege.

I’d like you to as we we end, gonna ask you a a few questions how people can can get a hold of you. MUFON I ha I don’t know if you know Amy Bond. She’s the MUFON Idaho state director. She was their chief investigator and I got to to meet and and and talk to her and feature her on a podcast. A fascinating woman. but if people are interested in MUFON, I know there’s a national or maybe an international chapter and state chapters, how can they find out more about MUFON and maybe

you get involved.

Ron James (35:51.892)
Yeah, you know, MUFON is the largest and oldest civilian organization studying this. We took up the work of Project Blue Book when it concluded. And we are a network of thousands of people all over the world that investigate, actually investigate UFO sightings. So if people have reports that they’d like to submit to help our database, if they have an interest in becoming a field investigator, or if they just want to be part of the biggest community.

around the topic, they can go to MOOFON dot com and find out more.

Doug Dvorak (36:23.807)
Excellent. And so your your first documentary movie, Accidental Truth UFO Revelations a few years back and right now, and that’s that’s available free on YouTube, but your new new movie, Accidental Truth Next, is available on on on what streaming services and how can people see that?

Ron James (36:46.409)
Yeah, Accidental Truth Next is the sequel. I take you on a wild adventure through Washington, DC, and we end up on the very edge of reality. It’s quite a film, according to the critics, which is nice. and yeah, you can get it on Amazon, you can get it on Apple, you can get it on Google Play, YouTube movies and TV. It’s narrated again by Matthew Modine. It has special appearance by actor Thomas Jane, who really contributes to the film. It has a soundtrack by the

John Carpenter’s guy, Alan Howorth, who did the music for Halloween and Christine and so many other films. So it’s good, it’s got a little bit of star power behind it. It’s called Accidental Truth Next, beyond UFO disclosure. The website is accidental truthnext.com and the film is out there for everybody, and it is a mind blower. It really takes the conversation past whether or not non-human intelligence is here.

interacting with us, it takes conversation into what is next. And it’s an important film for people to to kind of get a feel for where we’re going.

Doug Dvorak (37:49.921)
Yeah, th th those are both gonna be on my short list to watch. So Ron, if if our viewers wanna reach out to you and I don’t know if you do public speaking or other podcasts, how how can they reach out to you? What’s the easiest way for them to contact you?

Ron James (38:05.639)
they can reach me at Ron JamesContact at gmail dot com and if they have information that they’d like to share with MUFON or for media appearances, podcasts, personal appearances, they can reach me at media at mufon.com.

Doug Dvorak (38:19.032)
Great. Well thank you, Ron. And thank you, Mission Possible Podcast Nation. Look forward. Check us out at missionpossible.biz and carpet diem. All right, let me end this. Fat